Hi Metalabers, A question for Apple fans: how does the Apple's external keyboard (the bigger wired one: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A) handles Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys? I have tried using the old-style transparent keyboard we have at Metalab with my MacBook and found out that for most of the apps Home key takes my cursor to the beginning of the document (not line, as I would expect). Is this true for the newer keyboards too? Thanks, Sergey
Home key takes my cursor to the beginning of the document (not line, as I would expect). Isn't the problem that your expectation is wrong and the apps are really doing exactly what you _should_ expect on a Mac (I'm presuming you're using OS X), i.e. the issue hasn't got anything to do with the keyboard itself anyways?
Isn't the problem that your expectation is wrong and the apps are really doing exactly what you _should_ expect on a Mac (I'm presuming you're using OS X), i.e. the issue hasn't got anything to do with the keyboard itself anyways?
Yes, this is the case .. the Apple keyboard produces keycodes just like a normal PC keyboard - its the apps which interpret what to do with the results. I use an Apple keyboard (big white one) at work with my Linux machine - apart from needing to set up US/Austrian keymaps (I occasionally have a need for a bit of üöä), it functions like any other keyboard on a Linux PC .. To get to beginning-of-line instead of top-of-document, I think you use control-Home or shift-Home in most OSX Apps .. ; -- Jay Vaughan
To get to beginning-of-line instead of top-of-document, I think you use control-Home or shift-Home in most OSX Apps .. it's cmd–← (command plus left arrow) — i forgot to include that information in my previous mail and didn't want to spam the list, so i sent the follow-up to sergey only ... but now i can't resist letting everyone know ;)
i'd try out what ctrl-home and shift-home do on my mac, but i don't have a keyboard with a home key here at the moment ... not that i'd want one; those overly wide keyboards are stupid, awkward, unergonomic, pointless abominations ... but that rant would be off topic here so i'm leaving it out ;) anyway, i don't think any meta key would usually modify the behaviour of 'home' on the mac, outside of weird apps. oh, btw., ctrl-home is top-of-document under windows; on the mac that's cmd–↑.
OK, thanks everybody for that info. Home key bringing cursor to the top of the document is actually an old Unix construct from the terminal world of 70s, so I had the suspicion that this is not incidental. Speaking of Mac OS shortcuts, as a half-year Windows switcher I really miss the PgUp/PgDn key that scrolls the view and brings the cursor up or down correspondingly. Does anybody knows what's the shortcut for that on Mac? I just started Xcode, and tried fn-↑ (this scrolls the view, but keeps the cursor where it was, so when you start typing, the view is scrolled back), and cmd-↑ (this scrolls to the top of the document, AND brings the cursor there). Any advice on that? Sergey
it's cmd–← (command plus left arrow) — i forgot to include that information in my previous mail and didn't want to spam the list, so i sent the follow-up to sergey only ... but now i can't resist letting everyone know ;)
i'd try out what ctrl-home and shift-home do on my mac, but i don't have a keyboard with a home key here at the moment ... not that i'd want one; those overly wide keyboards are stupid, awkward, unergonomic, pointless abominations ... but that rant would be off topic here so i'm leaving it out ;) anyway, i don't think any meta key would usually modify the behaviour of 'home' on the mac, outside of weird apps.
oh, btw., ctrl-home is top-of-document under windows; on the mac that's cmd–↑.
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